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Another open letter from Darl McBride, CEO of SCO

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Since last March The SCO Group ("SCO") has been involved in an increasingly rancorous legal controversy over violations of our UNIX intellectual property contract, and what we assert is the widespread presence of our copyrighted UNIX code in Linux. These controversies will rage for at least another 18 months, until our original case comes to trial. Meanwhile, the issues SCO has raised have become one of the hottest technology stories of the year, and often our positions on these issues have been misunderstood or misrepresented. Starting with this letter, I'd like to explain our positions on the key issues. In the months ahead we'll post a series of letters on the SCO website (www.sco.com). Each of these letters will examine one of the many issues SCO has raised. In this letter, we'll provide our view on the key issue of U.S. copyright law versus the GNU GPL (General Public License).

SCO asserts that the GPL, under which Linux is distributed, violates the United States Constitution and the U.S. copyright and patent laws. Constitutional authority to enact patent and copyright laws was granted to Congress by the Founding Fathers under Article I, § 8 of the United States Constitution:

Congress shall have Power
[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts,open-source advocates argue against copyright and patent laws, and whatever measures they take to by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

This Constitutional declaration gave rise to our system of copyrights and patents. Congress has enacted several iterations of the Copyright Act. The foundation for current copy protection in technology products is grounded in the 1976 Copyright Act. The 1976 Act grew out of Congressional recognition that the United States was rapidly lagging behind Japan and other countries in technology innovation. In order to protect our ability to innovate and regain global leadership in technology, Congress extended copyright protection to technology innovations, including software. The 1976 Act had the desired effect. The U.S. economy responded rapidly, and within 10 years had regained global technology leadership.

Most recently, Congress has adopted the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA") to protect the intellectual property rights embodied in digital products and software. Congress adopted the DMCA in recognition of the risk to the American economy that digital technology could easily be pirated and that without protection, American companies would unfairly lose technology advantages to companies in other countries through piracy, as had happened in the 1970's. It is paramount that the DMCA be given full force and effect, as envisioned by Congress. The judgment of our elected officials in Congress is the law of the land in the U.S. copyright arena, and should be respected as such. If allowed to work properly, we have no doubt that the DMCA will create a beneficial effect for the entire economy in digital technology development, similar to the benefits created by the 1976 Copyright Act.

However, there are a group of software developers in the United States, and other parts of the world, that do not believe in the approach to copyright protection mandated by Congress. In the past 20 years, the Free Software Foundation and others in the open source software movement have set out to actively and intentionally undermine the U.S. and European systems of copyrights and patents. Leaders of the FSF have spent great efforts, written numerous articles and sometimes enforced the provisions of the GPL as part of a deeply help belief in the need to undermine or eliminate software patent and copyright laws.

The software license adopted by the GPL is called "copyleft" by its authors. This is because the GPL has the effect of requiring free and open access to Linux (and other) software code and prohibits any proprietary use thereof. As a result, the GPL is exactly opposite in its effect from the "copyright" laws adopted by the US Congress and the European Union.

This stance against intellectual property laws has been adopted by several companies in the software industry, most notably Red Hat. Red Hat's position is that current U.S. intellectual property law "impedes innovation in software development" and that "software patents are inconsistent with open source/free software." Red Hat has aggressively lobbied Congress to eliminate software patents and copyrights.

See - http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html

At SCO we take the opposite position. SCO believes that copyright and patent laws adopted by the United States Congress and the European Union are critical to the further growth and development of the $186 billion global software industry, and to the technology business in general.

In taking this position SCO has been attacked by Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and many software developers who support their efforts to eliminate software patents and copyrights. Internet chat boards are filled with attacks against SCO, its management and its lawyers. Personal threats abound. At times the nature of these attacks is breathtaking - the emotions are obscuring the very clear and important legal issues SCO has raised. This is to be expected when the controversy concerns such deeply held beliefs. Despite the raw emotions, however, the issue is clear: do you support copyrights and ownership of intellectual property as envisioned by our elected officials in Congress and the European Union, or do you support "free" - as in free from ownership - intellectual property envisioned by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and others? There really is no middle ground. It is no understatement to say that the future of the global economy is in the balance.

As SCO prepares new initiatives to protect our intellectual property rights, we do so with the knowledge that the most powerful voices in our democratic process give clear support to the intellectual property laws we seek to enforce. As stated above, the United States Congress has adopted the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to give clear and unequivocal protection to copyright management information distributed with software. We are also in accord with important decisions of the United States Supreme Court in the copyright area. In the case of Eldred v. Ashcroft, decided earlier this year, the United States Supreme Court gave clear and unequivocal support to Congress's authority to legislate in the copyright arena. The European Union remains firmly in support of intellectual property laws, as embodied generally in the Berne Convention.

Thus, SCO is confident that the legal underpinning of our arguments is sound. We understand that the litigation process is never easy for any party involved. Our stance on this issue has made SCO very unpopular with some. But we believe that we will prevail through the legal system, because our position is consistent with the clear legal authority set down by US Congress, the US Supreme Court and the European Union.

To understand the strength of this authority, it is interesting to read the recent U.S. Supreme Court case, Eldred v. Ashcroft, 123 S.Ct. 769 (2003). In Eldred, key arguments similar to those advanced by the open source movement with respect to copyright laws were fully considered, and rejected, by the U.S. Supreme Court. This suggests that however forcefully open-source advocates argue against copyright and patent laws, and whatever measures they take to circumvent those laws, our intellectual property laws will carry the day.

The majority opinion in Eldred was delivered by Justice Ginsberg, in which Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices O'Connor, Scalia, Kennedy, Souter and Thomas joined. Dissenting opinions were filed by Justice Stevens and Justice Breyer. In Eldred, the petitioner argued that the Copyright Term Extension Act enacted by Congress in 1998 was unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court disagreed, ruling that Congress had full constitutional authority to pass the Extension Act. The Court's analysis of the constitutional foundation of the Copyright Act applies directly to the debate between SCO and FSF / Red Hat regarding intellectual property protection for software.

SCO argues that the authority of Congress under the U.S. Constitution to "promote the Progress of Science and the useful arts" inherently includes a profit motive, and that protection for this profit motive includes a Constitutional dimension. We believe that the "progress of science" is best advanced by vigorously protecting the right of authors and inventors to earn a profit from their work.

The Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and other GPL advocates take the contrary position. The FSF and Red Hat believe that the progress of science is best advanced by eliminating the profit motive from software development and insuring free, unrestricted public access to software innovations. The Free Software Foundation was established for this purpose. The GPL implements this purpose. Red Hat speaks for a large community of software developers dedicated to this purpose. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has dramatically undercut this position with its guidance in Eldred in how to define the term "promote the Progress of Science and the useful arts" under the Constitution.

In Eldred, the U.S. Supreme Court addressed for the first time in recent history the Constitutional meaning of the term "promote the Progress of Science and the useful arts " Seven Supreme Court justices defined the term one way - and SCO agrees with this definition. Two dissenting justices defined the term differently.

Let's consider the dissenting view. Justice Breyer articulated a dissenting view that the Constitutional objective of "promot [ing] the Progress of Science" is oriented to benefit the general public good, rather than create a private reward for authors. Justice Breyer posited:

The Clause does not exist "to provide a special private benefit," but to "stimulate artistic creativity for the general public good . The "reward" is a means, not an end.

123 S.Ct. at 802-03. Under this view of the U.S. Constitution, Justice Breyer would find a Congressional act unconstitutional if, among other things, "the significant benefits that it bestows are private, not public." Of course, this argument is at the very core of the positions advanced by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat, and the General Public License. According to FSF, Red Hat and under the GPL, private benefits are impediments to the general advancement of science and technology, and need to be eliminated entirely from the software industry and the process of software development.

But, unfortunately for the FSF, Red Hat and others, this dissenting view was squarely rejected in the majority opinion delivered for the Court by Justice Ginsberg. The majority position specifically acknowledges the importance of the profit motive as it underpins the constitutionality of the Copyright Act. In expressing this position, the majority opinion stated as follows:

Justice Stevens' characterization of reward to the author as "a secondary consideration" of copyright law understates the relationship between such rewards and the relationship between such rewards and the "Progress of Science." As we have explained, "[t]he economic philosophy behind the [Copyright [C]lause is the conviction that encouragement of individual effort by personal gain is the best way to advance public welfare through the talents of authors and inventors." Accordingly, "copyright law celebrates the profit motive, recognizing that the incentive to profit from the exploitation of copyrights will redound to the public benefit by resulting in the proliferation of knowledge . The profit motive is the engine that ensures the progress of science." Rewarding authors for their creative labor and "promot [ing] Progress" are thus complementary; as James Madison observed, in copyright "[t]he public good fully coincides with the claims of individuals." The Federalist No. 43, p. 272 (D. Rossiter ed.1961.) Justice Breyer's assertion that "copyright statutes must serve public, not private, ends" similarly misses the mark. The two ends are not mutually exclusive; copyright law serves public ends by providing individuals with an incentive to pursue private ones.

123 S.Ct. at 785, fn. 18; emphasis in original.

Based on the views of the United States Congress and the United States Supreme Court, we believe that adoption and use of the GPL by significant parts of the software industry was a mistake. The positions of the Free Software Foundation and Red Hat against proprietary software are ill-founded and are contrary to our system of copyright and patent laws. We believe that responsible corporations throughout the IT industry have advocated use of the GPL without full analysis of its long-term detriment to our economy. We are confident that these corporations will ultimately reverse support for the GPL, and will pursue a more responsible direction.

In the meantime, the United States Congress has authorized legal action against copyright violators under the Copyright Act and its most recent amendment, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. SCO intends to fully protect its rights granted under these Acts against all who would use and distribute our intellectual property for free, and would strip out copyright management information from our proprietary code, use it in Linux, and distribute it under the GPL.

We take these actions secure in the knowledge that our system of copyright laws is built on the foundation of the U.S. Constitution and that our rights will be protected under law. We do so knowing that the voices of thousands of open source developers who believe "software should be free" cannot prevail against the U.S. Congress and voices of seven U.S. Supreme Court justices who believe that "the motive of profit is the engine that ensures the progress of science."

Sincerely,

Darl McBride
President & CEO
The SCO Group, Inc.

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What The Copywright Law Really Says

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 04:44 AM


United States copywright is intended primarily to protect the rights of the original author of a work. The copywright holder is entitled to do as he/she chooses, including granting rights to others.


As stated by the U.S. Copywright office <A HREF="http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wci" TITLE="copyright.gov">here</a copyright.gov>:


"WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?


Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship, including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following:


To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;


To prepare derivative works based upon the work;


To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;


To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works;


To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and


In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

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A much more insidious meaning...

Posted by: Daniel Baker on December 05, 2003 05:25 AM
This letter appears not to have been written to the people in general as much as it seems to be catering to those in Washington.

My thoughts are that this letter may have been directly addressed to memebers in various governments in the hope that the congresional officials will not care to read the contents of the GPL or consult with their lawyers on this issue.

The letter has an emotional note that would seem to attempt to place a preconception of dishonesty on the GPL. It would be important to contact our representatives on the matter now to encourage them to look past the facade presented by the misleading document authored by the deranged man at the helm of SCO.

Then again, I like to think our elected officials are well educated and very experienced in looking past this kind of drivel.

DBaker
http://daniel.clanbaker.com

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Re:A much more insidious meaning...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:09 AM
Then again, I like to think our elected officials are well educated and very experienced in looking past this kind of drivel.

What color is the sky on your planet?

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Re:A much more insidious meaning...

Posted by: Daniel Baker on December 05, 2003 06:32 AM
Well it really isn't any color as there is no oxygen. But the gound is a nice bright orange...

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Darl is insane

Posted by: Joe Barr on December 05, 2003 04:47 AM

In addition to be the only person in the world capable of making Bill Gates look like an honest man in comparison.

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Re:Darl is insane

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:40 AM
Bill Gates is a meglamaniac man-child but this guy is actually evil. Gates takes alot of abuse from us and some of it is deserved but this guy is a looter providing nothing of value and expecting a paycheck in return.

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Ah well

Posted by: OwlWhacker on December 05, 2003 04:50 AM
I guess the U.S. will just get cut off from the rest of the world.

Too bad.

Let's all move to Europe, where the law actually seems to make more sense.

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Re:Ah well

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 09:36 AM
Quite honestly i don't know where the law and law enforcement works better. US or here in Finnland, we certainly have issues of our own. The sad truth is bad laws are probably evrywhere. That said I don't really think sco could survieve here quite as long as in the US. But that is offcourse just speculation.

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omg

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 04:52 AM
Okay so I gave up half way down this drivel. What are they saying? Are they saying that if they can paint the FSF to be a bunch of communist lefties out to destroy the good ol' US of A that a judge might be inclined to ignore copyright law completely and rule the GPL invalid?

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Re:omg

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:34 AM
Essentially they say that the only benefit one can obtain from a copyright is financial gain. The fact hat someone might want to distribute something in the hope of that something being improved by others seems to escape them completely.

It is very simple - SCO does have the right (and duty) to defend their intellectual property, but it remains to be seen if there are any violations of substance. Some people tend to jump on their case about this intent, which I think is wrong. Of course all the tangential BS coming from SCO doesn't endear them to anyone.

However their attack on the GPL is not correct and they will lose. As the first post says, a copyright holder's works can be disributed by sale or other means - it is not a requirement that money change hands, and there is likewise no requirement that the copyright holder maintain certain rights (e.g. sole distribution) in order to avoid their work becoming part of the public domain. In fact SCO seems to equate GPLed works with works in the public domain, but that is not the case.

Speaking of which, given that SCO chose to elaborate its disdain for the GPL, I wonder if the Samba team will rethink their initial position wrt SCO shipping Samba as their windows compatibility layer. If I were them, the cease and desist letter would be in the mail, but perhaps they have a different view of the matter.

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Re:omg

Posted by: louiscypher on December 05, 2003 10:06 AM
However their attack on the GPL is not correct and they will lose.


From a business perspective, far worse than simply loosing the case, Daryl has painted a bright red target + cross hairs on SCO's forehead. He's effectively garnered tha collective hate of millions of intellectually disparate developers/users/advocates. Those same groups would normally argue over the efficacy of a chocolate chip cookie wraped in 24 carat gold foil miraculously delivered to every starving child on the planet. Argument and chaos are their birth right, but Daryl has given them common cause.

This isn't just a lack of cognitive acuity, it borders on criminal negligence to SCO's shareholders.

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Substance (The Heart of the Matter)

Posted by: Charles Tryon on December 05, 2003 11:30 PM
><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but it remains to be seen if there are any violations of substance.


I wish people could keep this one statement in mind! In fact, if there ARE violations of SCO intellectual property in Linux, then the people who put it in there should have their a-- in a sling. However, if there are NO violations of SCO IP, then it doesn't matter a whit if McB doesn't like the GPL. It's not his copyrighted material, and he has no right to force other people to use his particular brand of license. If there is no SCO IP in Linux, then he loses his case, and his company collapses.


I used to think he was trying to get the GPL declared invalid, and equivalent to releasing a work into the Public Domain, so that he could grab all the code and make it his own, but even that is a dead-end, since he's screwed his own resellers so badly that no one is going to buy or sell any product they come up with in the future.

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Re:Substance (The Heart of the Matter)

Posted by: Galik on December 08, 2003 01:55 AM
I think there are a lot of things going on here. Whilst "...it remains to be seen if there are any violations of substance" and "...it doesn't matter a whit if McB doesn't like the GPL" and SCO is going to loose the legal battle, it's important to note that one of the things Darl is doing is rallying all the interested forces within the industry against his and their worst enimy. Our friend the GPL. I think he's part of a larger campain to ultimately lobby for legislation to invalidate the GPL. You see he's using the legal war with IBM as an excuse to shout as LOUD as possible about the supposed dangers of GPL. He's trying to appeal to all those with money (read lobbying power) to be afraid of the Open Source Movement. That's why it doesn't matter that his letters are illogical nonsense. He's not trying to appeal to people who are logical. He wants to appeal to people who have money and who are scared of loosing it. In years to come I think we might look back on this whole period (past, present and future) as the Great War of Coding Freedom. Where the establishment throws all its might at trying to force commerce to triumph over what's right and moral. I can't say I'm comfortable at predicting the outcome either...

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Protect SCO from SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 04:53 AM
SCO intends to fully protect its rights granted under these Acts against all who would use and distribute our intellectual property for free, and would strip out copyright management information from our proprietary code, use it in Linux, and distribute it under the GPL.



Didn't sco release it's own version of linux (United Linux) under the GPL? They advertised it's enhanced SMP, NUMA and JFS abilities in there press releases, prior to the lawsuits. Now they want protection from their own past. Didn't SCO (Then named Caldera) release all of their previous unix ip v1 - v32 under a BSD license?


Seems like SCO needs protection from itself.


Now if they can stop their management from acting like dumb asses, the soon to be new owner David Boise will be better able to sell of any holdings of the shell that was SCO.

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Re:Protect SCO from SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:48 AM
They released their UNIX 32v system versions v1 to v7 under a BSD + advertising clause license.

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Where's the evidence?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 04:55 AM
This guy is still claiming that proprietary code is being "let loose" by the GPL. If that's the case, put it up and let someone decide. If I remember correct, the examples they had given were nonsensical, or had previously originated in BSD code! Talk about stupid!

I tend to agree that copyrights that protect profits are indeed good things, but you have to have something to protect before you start suing people. He is obviously trying to get bought out by whoever he is suing.

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Re:Where's the evidence?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:27 PM
Open Source is based on copyright. You write something, retain the copyright, and license it. SCO and others arguing that Open Source is anti-copyright is a simple misrepresentation.

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Great Thinker

Posted by: madchris on December 05, 2003 05:00 AM
McBride has revealed himself to be one of today's great thinkers. We should all be grateful to be able to gather around his feet to receive the fruits of his intellectual masturbation. But be careful not to get any ejaculate in your eyes! Avoid inappropriate exposure to the seed of his mind as that is how intellectual diseases are transmitted.

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Re:Great Thinker

Posted by: flacco on December 05, 2003 09:30 AM
McBride has revealed himself to be one of today's great thinkers. We should all be grateful to be able to gather around his feet to receive the fruits of his intellectual masturbation.


Well, he is, after all, in it strictly for the money-shot.

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Now let me get this straight...

Posted by: scmackay on December 05, 2003 05:00 AM
According to this fruitcake, If I develop some software package and decide to donate it to anyone, I am in violation of the law? What planet is he from? Clearly not earth.

Listen here dipshit, I can do what ever I please with my work! I can because I am protected by the United States Constitution!

Oh! I get it now, Your stock value is dropping like a rock.

Get a life dipshit!

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Re:Now let me get this straight...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:45 AM
"According to this fruitcake, If I develop some software package and decide to donate it to anyone, I am in violation of the law?"

Yes. Darl is saying that anything that does not have a profit motive is unconstitutional.

The man is a Ferengi.

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Re:Now let me get this straight...

Posted by: alandd on December 05, 2003 08:51 AM
That's funny! LOL!

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Re:Now let me get this straight...

Posted by: br3n on December 05, 2003 09:42 AM
Hurry someone better let ex Pres Jimmy Carter know he is behaving unconstitutionally
after all habitat for humanity is all donations
br3n

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Re:Now let me get this straight...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 07, 2003 02:51 AM
Yeah. I guess everybody that ever turned in a programming assignment to a professor or took a programming exam is in violation of the US Constitution, too. Geez.

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According to this argument ...

Posted by: timothy on December 05, 2003 05:09 AM
According to Darl's argument (if applied consistently), no copyright holder could choose to let others use the works he has created under contract, or allow redistribution under limited terms. Of course, the argument is nonsensical gibberish, and --if it were true-- would invalidate SCO's entire business, as well as that of the software industry his transcribed grunting noises here make reference to.

The GPL and other software license, whatever their ideological underpinnings, intent, or country of origin, are at least in the United States dependent on copyright law -- because that is the framework within which they are valid. This goes for Microsoft's secret-source Office suite as well as emacs.

Further on that point: this letter is some serious, energetic handwaving on SCO's and Darl's part, perhaps because it's now obvious that the company has now become, among the other things it has been (some of them good, like a supporter of Linux kernel development) an enthusiastic, willful violator of copyright.

timothy

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Asshat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:10 AM
Hopefully we're getting close to Darls Last Thrutching Spasm here. He might wrap himself in the flag, constitution, perhaps the Bible next. But once IBM drag him kicking and screaming into court, he's finished. Permanently. With prejudice.

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Re:Asshat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:18 AM
What nonsense. You can support both copyright and free software at the same time. I havv written
code for free public domain use and also other
code for companies and have sold code for profit.
It is neither one nor the other. The whole letter
is based on a false premise. But did you expect
anything more from SCO?

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Re:Asshat

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:51 AM
I can only imagine Darl reading this and going: "Hmmm. Wrap myself in a Bible. Very good idea."

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I understand it now.

Posted by: MisesGuy on December 05, 2003 05:24 AM

He's a left-liberal. He subscribes to the "living Constitution" school of thought which means that the Constitution means whatever you want it to mean regardless of what it actually says.



In the real world, "Congress shall make no law" on a certain issue means that Congress shall make no law on that issue. In the left-liberal world of Republicans and Democrats, it means whatever the "living Constitution" has changed to mean over time according to their own personal whim. So, of course we can expect copyright law to be stretched to the furthest reaches of lunacy (as if it weren't already!).



Such is Darl McBride.

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Re:I understand it now.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:41 AM
Please, as a liberal, don't lump Darl McBride into the same group as me. I like to think of myself as a rational thinking man who believes in progressive ideals. And I firmly believe that the constitution in letter and spirit allows this without broad reinterpretation or blatent misinterpretation.

Darl McBride is a moron who is desparate to build a mountain out of a stinking pile of dung that no one else would touch if their life depended on it. His misinterpretation of the most basic passages of law are an embarassment to any thinking person, liberal or conservative.

The constitution is a living document. The United States is meant to be an evolutionary system. It's a great system in that way. This means that it is not short sighted. When McBride or others try to twist the meaning of words and documents to suite their own self-interest, it's the nations duty to respond. And we are. Liberals and Conservatives alike.

Please, be critical of Mr. McBrides statements. There is so much to criticize in what he says and how he acts. But please don't confuse his actions with those of a rational liberal human being.

I'd like to go on to say:

The only benefit McBride will bring to the tech community is when he's taken out of society for being the manipulative fraud that he is. He should read up on freedom, the founding principle of US Law.


    "The Price of Freedom is eternal Vigilance."

We're vigilant Mr McBride. And when you lose, we're going to make sure you never pose such a threat again.

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Re:I understand it now.

Posted by: Sam Leathers on December 05, 2003 07:32 AM
rational && liberal in the same sentence???
have you gone made<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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Re:I understand it now.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:56 AM
Now you did it! Calling someone in Utah a liberal is like calling someone every dirty word in the book. You might as well call him a Wicked Gay Baby killin Draft Dodgin Anti-Gun Pinko Fag!

Bite me Utah.

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Why?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:24 AM
We know this idiot is going to go off ranting stupidities, but why do we have to give him a forum here? Don't they do a good enough job releasing FUD-filled press releases and such on their own?

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Re:Why?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:43 AM
And doesn't the media lap-dog do an outstanding job of reporting all of big D's rantings! Wonder how one gets on the M$ payroll in that manner?

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Re:Why?

Posted by: flacco on December 05, 2003 09:33 AM
We know this idiot is going to go off ranting stupidities, but why do we have to give him a forum here? Don't they do a good enough job releasing FUD-filled press releases and such on their own?


Comic relief?


I'm only about a fifth through with his hilarious madcap ramblings. I stopped by the message board so i could wipe the tears from my eyes and catch my breath.

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Most obvious lie?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:32 AM
"Sincerely"? he might as well have signed it "Love". Honestly, who thinks this stuff up? I really don't understand the idea that advancements in Science, etc. are inherently motivated by profit. I guess Darl has revealed the true motive for his existence: to make a profit. But try putting yourself in his shoes...imagine your company is not doing so well. The investors are not happy, and you're the CEO...this is all on you. What alternatives did he have, really? I mean, when honest business practices fail, why not turn to dishonest ones? I believe this is known as investment ideology, but it doesn't quite fit, because it doesn't fit within ethical or moral boundaries. I cannot express in words the anger I felt reading this letter. It was as if Hitler himself was speaking on the genocidal extermination of the GPL, and trying to make it sound like a positive thing. Sickening, really.

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DMCA is US law, not WORLD law!

Posted by: alandd on December 05, 2003 05:33 AM
"Congress adopted the DMCA in recognition of the risk to the American economy that digital technology could easily be pirated and that without protection, American companies would unfairly lose technology advantages to companies in other countries through piracy, as had happened in the 1970's."


The DMCA has NO FORCE over seas. Does he really think the DMCA will keep a company in China, for example, from cracking and copying any software they want? The US Congress passes a law and so the world must obey it? What?!?!


AND


Other than the fact that it's a law dealing with copyrights, what does the DMCA have to do with the SCO vs. IBM contract dispute or the GPL? Nothing! It's just a good buzzword to mix in more FUD and attention.


At best he is a deluded idiot.

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we shall overcome!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:49 AM
Hey SCO - don't give us your crap as you are judging you by your ACTIONS and not words. You lawsuit is a declaration of war against all of us, and you will be utterly defeated!

chown -R Linux:GNU world

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Constitution

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:50 AM
However, there are a group of software developers in the United States, and other parts of the world, that do not believe in the approach to copyright protection mandated by Congress.

Wrong. The OSS developers that use the GPL license do believe in the approach to copyright protection mandated by Congress. The GPL is a license firmly based on existing copyright laws. The copyright law is used in the manner prescribed in the Constitution to protect the author's/inventor's rights to profit in the way they desire from their work. This profits come in the form of software contributions and improvements to their work fed back to them.

These contributions promote the progress of science in software at a much better rate than the old closed source software model that has stagnated advances in software development for the past twenty years.

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SCO beliefs

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 05:51 AM
Darl says: "[W]e believe that adoption and use of the GPL by significant parts of the software industry was a mistake."

Tomorrow is oral arguments day in Utah.

I guess today was anal arguments day, because he appears to have pulled this from his behind.

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Re:SCO beliefs

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 06, 2003 12:17 AM
Don't apply the inane, corrupt logic of SCO to all programmers in Utah. I hate this SCO stupidity as much as anyone else. The SCO management should be prosecuted and imprisoned for their fraudulent attacks on the works of thousands of OSS programmers (including here in Utah).

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What a weak argument

Posted by: Fonze on December 05, 2003 05:54 AM
Eldred has nothing to do with sco's position, except outside the courtroom.



If you write code and incorporate it with GPL code, you contractually agree to the GPL, and to the copyright rights and restrictions contained within the GPL.



That's it. It's that simple. IBM, copy and paste above into your response filings to the GPL portion of the complaint.



If the above is not true, then artists can't transfer their copyrights to the MPAA/RIAA.



This appears to be a cover for attacking the GPL, and not having it thrown out immediately, and not being charged with bringing a case without legal grounds/having to pay defendant's legal fees. Further, without attacking the GPL, the court won't parse the millions of lines in linux that sco claims belongs to them. So if they even get that far, the court will let sco cherrypick some code, then IBM will destroy them by showing it in BSD or that sco released it previously, and there is no case.



The attack on the GPL is necessary for pre-trial publicity and raising funds (and for the cheerleading proprietary coders/companies that are quaking in their boots over their future thanks to the GPL). That's it. I just didn't expect their arguments to be so weak, and for them to publicize it prior to trial.



In the months ahead we'll post a series of letters on the SCO website (www.sco.com).




Sounds like pump and dump (and stock price maintenance) to me, but that's just an opinion...



Groklaw must be doing cartwheels over this latest dribble from sco. Can't wait to see the response<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)

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maroon

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:02 AM
Just a few points:

1. How do FSF proponents argue _against_ copyright law when the GPL depends on copyright law? Just curious.

2. Is he now trying to equate copyright with patents? I mean, that is a stretch as copyrights are actually needed while software idea patents have been shown to be ricockulous.

3. Uhm...was he inbred? I that might actually explain some of his thoughts.

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Facts -- Answer your critics

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:05 AM
You state:

chat boards are filled with attacks against SCO, its management and its lawyers. Personal threats abound. At times the nature of these attacks is breathtaking - the emotions are obscuring the very clear and important legal issues SCO has raised. This is to be expected when the controversy concerns such deeply held beliefs. Despite the raw emotions, however, the issue is clear: do you support copyrights and ownership of intellectual property as envisioned by our elected officials in Congress and the European Union, or do you support "free" - as in free from ownership - intellectual property envisioned by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and others?


The reason that there is such a heated outrage is the following: SCO only owns the "IP" on about 10 to 15% of Unix yet it claims ownership of the whole of Unix. It's the other 90% of us, whom you are violating THEIR "IP" that's upset about it. Congress is supporting neither side, Congress is supporting itself. If a great upswelling of busineses and constituants want the law changed it will be (see: Prohibition).


The only thing that will sway public opinion on this matter to your side will be if you prove the "IP" issues by showing the code. According to the legal information posted on GrokLaw your company (and the law firm representing you) refuses to give this information to IBM the company you sued, and is required by law to receive said information. In fact you requested that IBM provide the information. What the heck are you suing IBM for??? (besides money of course). What is this "IP" that your talking about, cause it sure isn't "Unix" (you don't even own the trademark)?

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Re:Facts-show us the code!

Posted by: Fonze on December 05, 2003 06:16 AM
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...According to the legal information posted on GrokLaw your company (and the law firm representing you) refuses to give this information to IBM the company you sued, and is required by law to receive said information. In fact you requested that IBM provide the information...




If I had mod points, I'd be modding you up anonymous!



Answer the question sco, show the code!



Everything else is hot air. Show the code!

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Purposeful misrepresentation

Posted by: alandd on December 05, 2003 06:07 AM
"Red Hat has aggressively lobbied Congress to eliminate software patents and copyrights.

See - http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html "


Check the link he provides to Red Hat's patent policy. It says nothing about copyrights.


Hey, Darl. Where is the reference that shows Red Hat is against copyrights?

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Re:Purposeful misrepresentation

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:55 AM
It's easier to hide a lie when you plant it as closely as possible to a truth.

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Is he suicidal

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:11 AM
Any which way the lawsuits are decided now, SCO is skrewed if we follow his line of arguing. Since his opinion seems to be that the GPL is invalid and that all copyright owners of GPL software should really be compensated with lots of money, SCO should be prepared to pay lots of money to all the contributors of open source software.
I know that it was speculated that Darl actually plans to get all the GPL software into the public domain by rendering the GPL invalid. But this would even be contradicting his own strange arguments above. Even if this would go through (only in the US anyway) all the GPL software SCO released would then be public domain too. As we learned from the groklaw article this includes lots of NUMA, JFS, RCU, etc. code which was knowingly released (even advertised with) by Caldera and SCO (i.e. no case against IBM anyway).
So, Darl boxed himself and SCO in permanently with this letter. No way to win and all the other lawsuits by IBM (with actual merrit, as much as I hate those silly US software patents) are still incoming. After all, Darl argues himself that patent holders like IBM have to be compensated. So, prepare having to pay up for those patent violations and to get bills by lots of GPL software owners!

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Re:Is he suicidal

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:11 PM
ven if this would go through (only in the US anyway)

I don't see how it possibly can, How is a judge in america going to separate the code that is written by americans in america from the code that was written around the world? What a mammoth task. I'm certain that american judges have NO JURISDICTION OVER THE REST OF THE WORLD no matter what they might think as such CANNOT legaly release code not written by americans!

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The GPL and Copyright Law

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:36 AM
I think that Daryl knows that most of us in the open source community know and respect Copyright Law. It is the foundation for the GPL and for all other licenses. Just because our license doesnt promote the profit motive, he somehow believes that it is either less valid than proprietary licenses or totally invalid. Get a clue, Daryl - all software licenses are based on one thing: the creator(s) of the software has the absolute right to do whatever he/she/they wants with their property - including distributing it under any conditions that they choose.

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Re:The GPL and Copyright Law

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:44 AM
I agree that Darl knows that we in the open source community know and respect Copyright Law. He's not playing to us, he's playing to the court of public opinion.

The general public reads more from the financial publications than from Linux and open source publications. Most of these financial mags and newsletters are painting a rosy picture of SCO for the public to digest. (Exception being Forbes, after getting burned so badly a few weeks ago.)

Most regular folks don't dig in deep enough to find that the financial analysts rating SCO so high own plenty of SCO stock, or that the lawyers are being paid in stock. Most regular folks are only reading the headlines, and those headlines tend to not be very friendly toward Open Source and GPL.

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You completely misunderstand copyright law

Posted by: jonbryce on December 05, 2003 06:40 AM
And you completely misunderstand the GPL.

The provisions of copyright law at their most basic level are relatively simple. The author (in the case of the linux kernel this is Linus Torvalds and others) has a right to control certain types of distribution of his work for a limited period of time.

Their right to do this is confirmed in Eldred v Ashcroft.

The GPL gives you permission to distribute copyrighted works provided you comply with certain requirements - include the source code, give them the same rights that they gave you and so on.

The Microsoft Direct Royalty licence gives some computer manufacturers permission to distribute copyrighted works provided they comply with certain requirements - Pay Bill Gates loads of $$$.

Both licences are totally allowable under copyright law. To say otherwise is totally absurd.

Not only that. It doesn't even help your case. If you are not distributing the linux kernel under the GPL, then under what licence are you distributing it? What is it that gives you the permssion to distribute the copyrighted work created by Linus Torvals and many other contributers to the linux kernel?

The BSA frequently talk about people who distribute copyrighted works without permission. They call these people pirates. They say that doing this is theft. The courts prefer to use different words, but it is pretty well established that if you distribute copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright holder, you are breaking the law.

What you are doing, by not complying with the terms of the GPL, and by distributing the linux kernel without the permission of the people who wrote it, even if you did write a small part of it yourself, is what the BSA calls piracy. You are, in their words, and in your own, stealing the copyrighted software created by the linux kernel team.

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Hey Darl, respect Patent Laws, STOP selling UNIX

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:48 AM
The SCO group/ Caldera is very different from The Santa Cruz Operating Operation (Caldera bought some assets from the real SCO, including the SCO trademark and changed its name).

Ok, now, Caldera/SCO Group should respect IBM's patents, and stop selling its products, because it is not respecting IBM patents.

You cannot have it both ways Mr McBride, respect IBM's patents.

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What McB Is Really Saying...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 06:50 AM
The GPL isn't part of the good ol' corporate boy system and doesn't play by their rules; therefore, it isn't valid. And he can't stand that because he doesn't understand it.

Sorry, Darl, there is a new creature roaming the plains of the Serengeti and it's going to eat you and it will become the dominate species.

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It's pretty sad

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:09 AM
when you have to resort to crap like this to try to convince people that you are in the right for trying to sue someone for doing something that has been proven many many times over not to be true.

It's been proven many times that most of the code that is in question was in fact ported to linux from freebsd unix, and the remaining code was ported to linux by employees of caldera/SCO back during the days when they thought they could get rich off the linux movement and actually had their own distribution of Linux that they supported and sold to the public.

It is plain out wrong for a company to release code under a GPL license and then turn around and try to sue later on when they decide on a different company policy towards something they once supported.

Just my 2 cents on the subject.

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Unconstitutional?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:17 AM
"We take these actions secure in the knowledge that our system of copyright laws is built on the foundation of the U.S. Constitution and that our rights will be protected under law. We do so knowing that the voices of thousands of open source developers who believe "software should be free" cannot prevail against the U.S. Congress and voices of seven U.S. Supreme Court justices who believe that 'the motive of profit is the engine that ensures the progress of science.'"

That does NOT say it's unconstitutional, that says DARL doesn't like it because he couldn't profit off it. And it says that he's either paying off, or has a fluffy view of a supreme court judge who doesn't decide wether OSS will make money for the economy and bring new science but wether it's legal or not.

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The Founding Fathers knew about Open Source?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:22 AM
Darl states in his quote of the Constitution:



          Congress shall have Power

        [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts,open-source advocates argue against copyright and patent laws, and whatever measures they take to by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.



Is Darl trying to send people a subliminal message about open source advocates? Or were the Founding Fathers psychics who could see the open source movement hundreds of years before it happened.

Actually, if you think about it, I believe the Revolutionary War was probably fought by people much more like open source advocates than by people like Darl....

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Re:The Founding Fathers knew about Open Source?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:00 AM
"Darl states in his quote of the Constitution:


Congress shall have Power [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, open-source advocates argue against copyright and patent laws, and whatever measures they take to by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

Darl may be a jerk and probably insane, but he didn't say that. His letter has been mis-copied. You can find the original at: http://www.sco.com/copyright/

If we mis-quote him, then we sink to his level - And I find living in the slime too uncomfortable.

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putain

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:22 AM
je n'ai pas besoin de lire votre lettre parce que vous êtes idiot.

la putain de ta mére, mouffi ou moufflarge mcbride

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Re:putain

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:45 AM
I only understood the Last word on the first line Idiot, --- amore accurate word for this creatue called Darl, as to call him a man is an insult to Humanity

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Re:putain

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:59 AM
calme poupougne, c'est pas en insultant les cons qu'on fait changer les choses

à merde, j'ai dit "con", oups

and furthermore, it's an english speaking forum

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Re:putain

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 12:47 PM
Réplique quebécoise

Darl, t'es un esti de couillon égocentrique de mes deux, mon cher tabarnaque d'incompétent.

Z'at clear? I can shout it at you if you like.

Basically, it says darl's an a*s*s.

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Re:putain

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:08 PM
essentially it says

the letter did not have to be read because mcbride is an idiot.
it further says his mother is a whore and that he is the worst kind of f****** a-hole there is.

you see, there is truthful insight even from the non-english speaking people in the world.

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Good Point

Posted by: Charles Tryon on December 06, 2003 03:20 AM
> you see, there is truthful insight even from the non-english speaking people in the world.


Excellent Point.


When I first read the post, I though it was dumb for someone to make an non-English post to an English forum, but then I realized what he was really getting at.


McB still thinks of the US as the center of the Technology Universe. More to the point, he sees himself and his AT&T Unix as the "bright sun" around which all other technologies revolve. There can be no other technology except as it is governed by the Mother of All Operating Systems -- the original AT&T Unix. There are no laws unless they agree with US law. Unfortunately for him, Open Source, and GNU/Linux in particular, have broken that mold, and now McB and company are suddenly finding themselves very much out in the cold...

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Ha Ha Ha!!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:32 AM
Darl McBride should keep his letters, like his software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... closed

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what a turd

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:42 AM
i didn't read this letter either. i didn't need to. i already knew it was full of stupida** s***, so i skipped right to the replies.

mcbride's mom must be a whore who slept with a circus clown. what else could create such a s***-for-brains offspring?

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World Class Dumb Ass

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:43 AM
What else can you say, really.

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Freely translated

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 07:45 AM


I'd rather see all of the GPL authors rescind their rights of distribution than let these thieves (what *about* intellectual property integrity?) fall heir to Linux.

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Re:Freely translated

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 09:02 AM
They cannot do that. The GPL cannot be terminiated arbitrarily unless the other party violates one of it's terms. I think it's safe to say that SCOX has no more rights to distribute Linux, but I don't believe they've violated any other GPL software package's terms yet.


The Samba developers took the moral highroad on this with their <A HREF="http://us1.samba.org/samba/samba.html" TITLE="samba.org">statement</a samba.org> on August 19, 2003:


Because of this, we believe that the Samba Team must remain true to our principles and our code must be freely available to use even in ways we personally disapprove of.



Even when used by rank hypocrites like SCO.

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Such Nonsense

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:12 AM
Such nonsense. If it was a mistake for SCO and/or other corporations to get involved with the GPL, that's one thing. But declaring the GPL illegal (because you made a mistake?) is quite another.

Nor does the GPL keep proprietary software people from doing their thing. A lot of times, it's the same people (e.g. IBM).

It could be that the GPL makes it a lot harder for mediocre companies like SCO to make a buck. That's capitalism for ya. Sore losers are a dime a dozen though. I'm turning a deaf ear to these whiners.

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I stand corrected.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:14 AM
When I first read this, I thought that it was a troll. The lack of mention elsewhere, coupled with the loosy-goosy logic (even for Darl), and the mention of DMCA and Eldred V. Ashcroft (the biggest hot-button issues for OSS folks) lead me to believe that this is "the Perfect Troll". Unfortunately, I found this here: http://www.sco.com/copyright/. The whole point of Copyright is that I can do what I want with it, including _GIVE_IT_AWAY_. Its mine to do as I please. If he proves that the code wasn't ours, then we should rectify the situation because stealing is wrong. I also think that his preoccupation with the GPL helps MS conspiracy theorists greatly, as it has nothing to do with the IBM case (after all, it is only a contract dispute).

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Response

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:46 AM
Dear Darl,

As a Linux developer, I've tried to understand your position. I really have. I respect your right to protect your copyrighted code, and if any of it has been illegally copied, I want to see you compensated and the code removed.

But you must understand how frustrating it is for us to be told repeatedly that our OS is encumbered but never told exactly why. This is our main complaint against SCO, and the very issue that you continue to avoid.

Your December 4 letter claims to provide your "view on the key issue of U.S. copyright law versus the GNU GPL (General Public License)." You also claim that "the GPL is exactly opposite in its effect from the 'copyright' laws adopted by the US Congress and the European Union." Yet you never explain how it is that the GPL violates either the letter or the spirit of copyright law.

Some further observations:

- You mention groups who are lobbying to change IP laws, but you never explain what this has to do with the validity of the GPL.

- You defend the value of software patents, but, again, you don't explain how this is connected to the GPL.

- You take a stand against copyright infringement, but don't specify to whom you're talking. Has anyone asserted that infringement is okay?

- You ask: "Do you support copyrights and ownership of intellectual property as envisioned by our elected officials in Congress and the European Union, or do you support 'free' - as in free from ownership - intellectual property envisioned by the Free Software Foundation, Red Hat and others?" But you don't address the fact that free and proprietary software currently coexist, in spite of your claim that they're mutually exclusive.

- You don't explain what it is that you're proposing. Should the GPL be abolished? Should developers be prohibited from giving software away?

As I said before, I want to understand your position, but this letter has left me even more confused.

Respectfully,
A Linux developer

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Very nice!

Posted by: alandd on December 05, 2003 08:55 AM
This is good! Thanks!

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serious drug problem

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 08:46 AM
This guy really needs to lay off the crack.

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letter was plagiarized

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on December 05, 2003 09:01 AM
I found prior art for McBr