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Top 10 things to do with your SCO Linux invoice

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- by Joe Barr -
The SCO Group has <SLASH HREF="//linux.com/relocate.pl?id=f0fdd9b5b64a6e4094830b4597beae1e" ID="f75a936f3ae5b1179eef2772b61628f6" TITLE="http://www.commentwire.com/commwire_story.asp?commentwire_ID=4733" TYPE="LINK">reportedly</SLASH> started invoicing commercial users of Linux, claiming the money is owed to them due to their unproven claims that Linux contains their IP. Given that their public attempts to substantiate these claims have been proven false, you may be wondering what you should do if you receive such an invoice. Wonder no more. As a public service for the Linux community, we at NewsForge have put our heads together and come up with the following list of suggestions. We have received no guidance from IBM in preparing this list.

  • Collect as many copies of the invoice as you can and then use them to protest intellectual piracy with a "Burn SCO Burn" bonfire.
  • Tape several copies together to make a "Darl Liner" to use on the bottom of your birdcage or kitty-litter pan, or use it to clean fish on.
  • Make copies of the invoice and use them as invitations to your next LUG event.
  • Frame a copy of the invoice and put it in a time capsule as a relic from The Dark Ages of IP.
  • Send a copy of the invoice to Microsoft and ask them to pay it since they support SCO's IP policies and you don't.
  • Forward a copy of the invoice to your state attorney general along with a letter requesting an investigation of The SCO Group for fraud and/or extortion. Explain in your letter that you are being invoiced for something which is both unsubstantiated and disputed.
  • Forward a copy of the invoice to the U.S. Postal Service along with a similar letter suggesting an investigation for mail fraud.
  • Forward a copy of the invoice with a letter to all of your elected state and federal lawmakers. Explain how it demonstrates that the entire body of intellectual property law needs rethinking in order to bring it back in line with its original intent. Instead of fostering creativity and the common welfare, it has become a negative force which stifles innovation and provides only for corporate welfare.
  • Send SCO a registered letter demanding proof of their claims. Tell them unsubstantiated claims based on evidence like the code snippets they recently in showed in Las Vegas do not suffice. Add that if such proof is not forthcoming, you will report them to the appropriate law enforcement agency.
  • Obtain a quote for legal research of the invoice and send SCO a bill for that amount, explaining that as a prudent, responsible businessman, and you cannot pay an invoice unless you are certain of its validity.
  • If you live in the Bay Area, consider subscribing to a new low-traffic, announcement-only mailing list of a group called the Bay Area Software Professionals for Responsibility and Accountability. They will keep you informed as to local actions and responses to SCO's invoice. If you live elsewhere, organize or get involved with a local group with similar concerns.
I know. That's eleven instead of ten. But that's by design. It makes this Top 10 list more more powerful than those that have only ten.

Please feel free to turn up the amp a little higher by adding to the list in your comments, humorous or otherwise. You never know who else in the community you may be helping with your suggestions. And no matter what you decide to do with your invoice, even if you decide to pay the tribute SCO demands, be sure to heed the advice given elsewhere by Linux Journal Editor-in-chief Don Marti: save the original copy of the invoice and the envelope it came in. They may be needed as evidence in court.

Joe Barr has been writing about technology for 10 years, and about Linux for five. His work has appeared in IBM Personal Systems Journal, LinuxGazette, LinuxWorld, Newsforge, phrack, SecurityFocus, and VARLinux.org. He is the founder of The Dweebspeak Primer, the official newsletter of the Linux Liberation Army.

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Evidence!

Posted by: OwlWhacker on September 02, 2003 05:17 PM
We have received no guidance from IBM in preparing this list.

I'm sure that SCO will be able to show you evidence that you have indeed received guidance from IBM - but only after signing a non-disclosure agreement.

SCO may show you an example of how you may have received guidance at one of its seminars too.

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Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:21 PM

Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:48 PM
If the humidity is good maybe you will get the SCO logo tatooed to your butt. They will then sue you for trademark violation.

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Peter Robertson on September 02, 2003 07:40 PM
Their trademark on your butt should be sent to SCO, along with a few copies to the local press.

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 11:48 PM
I've got this mental picture of Darl McBride saying "Right! Now, I own your ass!"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:44 PM
Use it, then mail it back to them.

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 07:48 AM
Where do you think they found the paper in the first place?

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 12:43 PM
Toilet paper? You mean you don't know how to use the three sea shells?

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Re:Free toilet paper!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 06, 2003 11:32 PM
Dark reference judge, but a good one

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You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:26 PM
"Make copies of the invoice and use them as invitations to your next LUG event."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and get sued by SCO for copying their invoice - or maybe they will use it as proof that Linux users have no respect for copyright:-)

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:45 PM
You are okay as long as they have not filed with the copyright office. Of course they will probably just sue you for something else while they file for their copyright.

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:04 PM
You have to file for copyright in the US?

Here in Denmark copyright is given automagically (unless you explicitly say so).

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:10 PM
You are given copyright automatically, but you cannot press charges until you have filed with the copyright office.

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:07 AM
No, you don't have to file before you can bring charges. But if you have paid the minimal fee (last time I heard it was $25, about 2 years ago), you have a much better chance of winning your suit. It constitutes official legal notice of your copyright. Without it, you need to have some sort of log to prove when you actually created the work to present to the court.

I suspect most lawyers won't take a copyright case unless you've already filed for the copyright (creating a defacto requirement), but that is not the same thing as a LEGAL requirement to do so.

-Rabid Conservative

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:22 PM
I think there's an exception under copyright law that allows making copies for educational use. You might be able to use that as a defense.

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 09:05 PM
Fair Use?!?

That's so passe now... These days, we're a more advanced society of feudalistically styled corporate serfs who bow to our leaders in the corporate infrastructure. Fair Use! Hah! The only Fair Use of a copyright is to browbeat the members of your community into submission!

And as everyone knows, these United States of America are a democracy by the corporations, for the corporations, and operated through the corporations.

Just ask pResident Select George W. Bush! After all, he was duly appointed by the Supreme Court in the legal tradition of the United States of America!

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Disclaimer: All similarity to events, real or otherwise, is purely coincidental. The author of this post does not truly believe the drivel that the corporate shills are trying to use to change history and firmly believes that the corruption of copyright is only one front in the corporate assault on people's rights.

Further, he hereby sets notice to George W. Bush that Governor Bush is illegal living in public housing and has not paid rent since January of 2001. As such, he is hereby served his notice of eviction. Please vacate the premisis immediately.

Now, get the hell out you moronic smirking chimp!

You and your corporate cronies should stop fucking with my country!
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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 10:32 PM
"The only Fair Use of a copyright is to browbeat the members of your community into submission!"

We just had a good example of this here in Denmark. A 40 (I think) year old childrens book called "Gummi Tarzan" (gummi = rubber) has got a new name "Gummi T" after beeing sued by Disney (they settled out of court - even though the experts seem to believe that Disney did'nt have a case).

Every kid in Denmark has read the book, seen it performed as a play or seen the movie. The book is about a thin, weak kid who is being bullied. Suddenly he gets a chance to get strong and...

Well, I'll stop now. My point is that this is misuse of copyright:-)

Btw. Lawrence Lessig has a note about it in his weblog: http://lessig.org/blog/

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:13 AM

I think that that would be misuse of trademark, but yes, the idea's exactly the same. Good example.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 07:15 AM
wouldn't that fall under fair use as parody?

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Re:You are opening yourself up for a lawsuit!

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 05:30 AM
If you go that line of defense they will
most likely prove with non disclosed evidence
that the invoices were valuable trade secrets
and the text on the invoice was actually
system V code they own and which you have
no right to , to publish.

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Send them the payment...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:27 PM
...but with the necessary signatures missing. They can only get the signatures so as to collect payment by signing a non-disclosure agreement stating that once they have the signatures, they can't actually use them for any purpose involving collecting payments...

steve-at-twindx-dot-com

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Re:Send them the payment...

Posted by: OwlWhacker on September 02, 2003 06:31 PM
I like it!

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bad idea

Posted by: lordcorusa on September 02, 2003 09:42 PM
Hmmm, this is clearly meant to be humorous, but it may bite you in the ass if you try it. By sending them a cheque, even one that isn't signed, a judge might see that as an admission on your part that you owe SCO some amount of money.

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Re:bad idea

Posted by: OwlWhacker on September 03, 2003 12:03 AM
Just scribble on the back of the check with a crayon "This check is a symbol of how I don't feel I owe you anything".

Case closed.

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Re:bad idea

Posted by: llanitedave on September 03, 2003 12:52 AM
Does that mean if you give your wallet to an armed robber, the judge will see it as an admission that you really owed the jerk money?

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Re:bad idea

Posted by: lordcorusa on September 30, 2003 03:00 AM
I was responding with a a bit of serious legal advice (caution, IANAL, just happened to pick up bits and pieces over the years) and you toss a ridiculous straw man argument back at me.

If Darl McBride came to your house and held a gun to your head, then giving him a cheque would not constitute an admission of anything, because you feared for your life (vis a vis a threat to your physical safety). However, if Darl sent you a normal invoice, even one with a mildly threatening (in a business/law sense) tone, and you sent him a cheque, then in *some* jurisdictions a judge *might* see that as an admission that you owe SCO money.

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Re:bad idea

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 06:21 AM
Just don't pay them in US dollars. Maybe Jamaica Dollars (699.00 Jamaica Dollars = 11.7968 United States Dollars). Or if you want to forget the dollars part, 699.00 Chile Pesos = 1.01584 United States Dollars. On their FAQ page, I see no mention that the payment is to be submitted in US dollars.
http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicensefaq.html

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Re:Send them the payment...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 02:35 AM
In the unlikely event that anyone is tempted to actually do this, check first that your bank would support you if SCO were successful in depositing your unsigned check. I stopped dealing with one bank after they announced a change to the Terms and Conditions of their accounts that stated, in part, that the bank "may rely upon the magnetically encoded amount" in paying checks. That turned out to mean that they took no responsibility for paying checks for amounts different from the amount written on the face of the check or for paying checks that were not properly signed. What do you think your chances would be of recovering the payment from SCO if they were to "accidentally" deposit your unsigned check?

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ebay

Posted by: Joseph Colton on September 02, 2003 05:30 PM
You can also auction the invoice on ebay. I am sure you will find someone interested in getting a copy.

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So SCO does TPS reports now?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 05:52 PM
I'm gonna need you to go ahead and forward that to memo about the Invoice to me Peter. mkay.

Ohh... and don't forget the new cover sheets. Did you copy of that memo?

-Adam B

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Re:So SCO does TPS reports now?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 06:34 PM
LOL!

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Desirable...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 06:47 PM
D'ya know, I think a SCO invoice has a high credibility among the FOSS community: imagine showing someone around your house in a few years time and showing them a framed original, and you'll be able to say "yes, I was one of the people SCO tried to sue".

Of course, the other person will probably say "SCO? Who are they", and you'll be able to unfurl a tale of woe, corruption and greed.

Hmm, I can see these invoices fetching cash in an auction somewhere... Maybe I should ask for one?

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sounds to me like -----

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 06:57 PM
extortion and mail fraud.

here's a 12th use for it - use it to wipe your butt

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Re:sounds to me like -----

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:26 PM
and don't forget to send it back, when you have!

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Ummm.... my butt deserves better

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 05:36 AM
NT

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Darl - "You'll get the $ with the next TPS report"

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:41 PM
....you know if SCO can figure out how to get the rounding error $s of each IBM AIX licensing invoice and divert it into their bank account....well...the sky's the limit!

Darl...can you work next Saturday?

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Re:Darl - "You'll get the $ with the next TPS repo

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 07:44 PM
ahhh - someone beat me to it on the TPS report front...haha - great minds think (SCO are idiots) alike!!

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I want an invoice - where can I get mine?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 08:55 PM
With all these suggestions about what to do with one... I AM FEELING JUST A LITTLE BIT LEFT OUT!

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me too: where is my invoice?

Posted by: axxackall on September 04, 2003 02:52 AM
me too. Seriously, how can I get such invoice?

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Re:me too: where is my invoice?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 03:19 AM
No seriously, someone's *GOT* to get some of those invoices up on ebay. As of now (see timestamp), there are no auctions for them.

I wonder if Canadian corps are included... I work for a major ISP that runs Red Hat Linux for the subscriber email and web servers. Maybe I should ask the accounting department if they got one...

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Re:I want an invoice - where can I get mine?

Posted by: Nonymous Reader on September 05, 2003 02:51 PM
Becareful to specify that you do not believe SCOX's authority for sending you an invoice is valid, or your request of an invoice may be tacit proof of your conviction that SCOX has the right to collect from you.

Something like, "I hear you are passing out invoices for Linux. While I do not believe you have the authority to collect on such invoices since I have no contractual agreement with your company reagrding my use of Linux beyond the GPL which you published earlier contributions to Linux as Caldera and Santa Cruz Operation, I use x number of servers, x number of desktops, and x number of embedded Linux devices."

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Evidenciary issues - think smart

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 08:58 PM
The first impulse may be to take the invoice down to the local sherif, post office (shudder, unlike other agencies, US postal inspectors still have the right to track you down in foreign nations, extradition be damned), your state AG, or similar. However, it would be best to try and aquire a fuller evidenciary trail to support your contentions. First, it would be useful to write back in a registered letter to SCO, kindly asking them what precisely they are invoicing you for, and any detail about any so called infringing code, such as where it might be. Whether they refuse to respond at all, or claim that one must sign some NDA to determine what it is you are alleged to have purchased, this would help provide a clearer background and supporting evidence for your fraud complaint. Any and all correspondence (by mail, best, phone secondary) that you can generate with SCO prior to filing your complaint will no doubt prove most useful for clearly establishing fraud. Somebody should, I imagine soon, post a howto on how to properly file your fraud complaint, including how to make the issues clear to your recipient, who no doubt is initially an under payed and over worked staffer.

All in all, I do look forward to receiving an invoice. This message was brought to you without any support from IBM<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

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#12

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 09:42 PM
You can send another invoice to SCO claiming (without proofs of course or with lousy ones anyway)
they for pay for using your copyrighted code

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Evidence

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 10:41 PM
Sounds to me like they are giving out a lot of evidence and reasons for users to start a class-action suit. Anyone know how to start one?

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Letter to SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 10:41 PM
Hey! All Linux users should write to SCO asking them for an invoice. I think is Microsoft involved which they are famous for buying what they cannot beat, on the other hand you cannot purchase Linux, nobody owns it, Microsoft is trying to push SCO to limit Linux usage by pricing it and owning it. Of course this is going to fail, first of all I believe Linux is clean, if by any chances there's any IP code, it will be removed for future versions, the worse case scenarion is that all Kernel have to be upgraded to a newer release, that's not so bad I say.

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Re:Letter to SCO

Posted by: cybernautix on September 03, 2003 11:41 AM
Let's be more precise. SCO is spreading enough misinformation.

Linux is owned by everyone who contributed to it. To say that "nobody owns it" implies that it is in the public domain, which may confuse people.

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Re:Letter to SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 12:12 PM
I disagree. SCO's invoice will be usuful as
evidence of extortion when you sue them.
If you ask SCO for invoice, it will be hard
later to claim extrotion by some criminal
organization when it was you who contacted them
and specifically requested that they invoice
you. It will no longer be extrotion
by a criminal company (organization).

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Maybe we should take them to small claims court.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 02, 2003 10:56 PM
I think the people trying to get a windows refund are a good example. Maybe we can take them to small claims court for harassment or something.

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Re:Maybe we should take them to small claims court

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 02:38 AM
I believe that under English law (and the laws of similar legal systems where there are various torts of interference) it is opssible right now to bring legal action against SCO.

I have published a few thoughts on specifics at http://www.jasonclifford.com/sco.html

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Another thing to do...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 12:31 AM
...file a complaint with the FTC. If they get enough complaints, they might actually do something.

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How can I get one?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 12:38 AM
Hello SCO. Can you please let me know how to be put on your lawsuit list? I want an invoice too!!

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SCO Punishment

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:01 AM
It`s time to charge SCO officials for manipulating stock prices and stealing money this way.
I simply can`t believe that this offends nobody in the US.

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Re:SCO Punishment

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 11:12 PM
Ummm, it's offending everyone. I'm so furious I actually told my last client using SCO they would need to find someone else to work on their server and that I wouldn't work on it anymore unless I changed it to linux. When I told them why, they gave me the go ahead to move it to linux. They had been a SCO/Unix user since they started back when Novell owned Unix.

After explaining everything to them their words to me were along the lines of, "we don't want to support another enron and we'll be DAMNED if we're giving a company like that one more dime"

WAY TO GO DARL MCBRIDE! YOU'RE SLOWLY BLEEDING YOUR COMPANY OUT!

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Monopoly money

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:04 AM
was invented for payment of Monopoly invoices...

In Canada, Canadian Tire money is an alternative.

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Re:Monopoly money

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:42 AM
no... Canadian Tire Money is actually worth something and can be used to buy goods at Canadian Tire stores....

Why would you give them something of value for a fraudulent claim?

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Dear Darl,

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:09 AM
Regarding your invoice no 999999 which we recieved, our records show that we have not bought anything from you. if you really think that we have, please reply with the exact items that we have purchased from you, including the delivery notes and signatures of the recipients on our side.

without these documents we will be unable to issue payment to you regarding this matter.

thank you

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Re:Dear Darl,

Posted by: cybernautix on September 03, 2003 11:44 AM
Don't forget to ask for a copy of the purchase order. No invoice can be processed for payment without an authorized purchase order.

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Re:Dear Darl,

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 05, 2003 09:57 AM
incorrect invoice number<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... should be 666

S atan
C laims
O pen source

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Mormons must pay Seneca Indians IP rights

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 03:01 AM
Okay, John Smith (founder of McBride's religion) found the golden tablets on Seneca
property. I believe that they are using Seneca owned
IP. Their religious code was stolen from the Seneca
Nation, and as such owe the Seneca Nation rights for all Mormon literature having to do with such IP. Mr
Mc Bride, you must in good conscience, pay for the
IP your religion stole. The Seneca never okay'd the
taking of their IP.

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that's JOSEPH Smith

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 01:29 PM
John Smith was Sacajawea's husband.

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Re:Mormons must pay Seneca Indians IP rights

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 06:06 AM
What the crap is that supposed to be? Do you really think the LDS church has something to do with this freaks lawsuit?

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Re:Mormons must pay Seneca Indians IP rights

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 07:28 AM
Just because they are in UTAH, doesn't make them Mormon. Why is it anything bad happening in Utah automaticlly gets blamed on the LDS?

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Religion

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 03:07 PM
You can say all sorts of things about a religions responsibility for people named as members. This does not make it true or approprate.

Because members of the LDS church invented things such as the television, electronic traffic light, odometer, CD/DVD technology, hearing aids, repeating rifles, zip drives, department stores, heart bypass machines, slurry explosives, synthetic diamonds, etc. does not mean that all Mormons are inventors, or even support technology.

Because Hitler was raised in a Catholic family does not make him a Catholic. Because Osama Bin Laden claims to be a Muslim does not make all the followers of Islam terrorists. Just because Darl McBride is a member of the LDS Church does not mean that all members are bad.

You could debate the ownership of the IP by the Seneca. If you have ever read The Book of Mormon, you would realize that the prophets in it wrote words from other prophets from Biblical times. There are words from Jesus Christ. The writers of the Book of Mormon explicitly say they are writing for the learning of future generations and even go as far as to say that priest craft or claiming people have to pay royalties for the IP in the Book of Mormon is a sin.

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Re:Mormons must pay Seneca Indians IP rights

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 05, 2003 09:55 AM
This is a bad comment:
You might give Darl an idea; Let him claim the entire Mormon religion as his IP.

He probably could make a better case for stealing that, than for stealing Linux.

I believe he does still tithe the Mormons, therefore
he has contributed, he can sue them for all their money, by his same argument.

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Comment Tags

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 03:22 AM
Put<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/* and */ around the invoice text so the compiler ignores it and we can get on with our lives.

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Top 10 things to do with your SCO Linux invoice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 03:57 AM
Print it on T-shirts, sell these, and wait for SCO to sue you for copyright infringement (this time with regard to the invoice).

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dog crap

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 04:12 AM
I do need some more paper to use to pick up the dog crap in my backyard.

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Forget the "humor": file mail fraud complaint.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 04:13 AM
All the "geek humor" about SCO is quite beside the point. This business is not funny, and humor is pointless here.

If SCO are actually mailing demands, the recipient(s) should follow up with demands for justification, with no NDA, and refuse to drop the matter even if SCO backs off.

A clear and documented prima facie case for mail fraud should be built up and maybe an injunction should be sought requiring SCO to either produce their evidence, including the alleged pedigree of the disputed code, or be prohibited from making any public claims before any trial of the case.

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Re:Forget the "humor": file mail fraud complaint.

Posted by: Joe Barr on September 03, 2003 06:56 AM

Humor is healthy. Do both.

Joe Barr

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Strike a deal

Posted by: Anders Feder on September 03, 2003 04:20 AM
Ask SCO to sign a contract promising that you will get all your money back if their claims are later proven false in court. State explicitly that in the case of bankruptcy, SCO execs are personally liable.

When they turn down your offer you submit to Newsforge a story with the headline "SCO execs without faith in own accusations".

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Re:Strike a deal

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 03:43 PM
We already know this as they're all selling their own shares in the company...

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Re:Strike a deal

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 09:40 PM
THAT is an elegant solution... I love it. Great idea.

Paints them in a corner, it does.

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SCO has some people believing.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 05:21 AM

SCO goes to journalists and makes them sign an agreemnt, and show them code that was old unix code that had been open sourced back to back with code that was in linux.

Now they're saying the GPL is invalid? So that means the BSD is invalid? And Microsoft's license? HMMmmm

I think they can convience non-programmer people and people who have no idea what the hell the code means, where it origionated in and what it does.

However, If they show programmer people that can actually anaylze the code not under an agreement and find out where it came from and the story behind it.. then everything is cool

their attorney is pyschotic anyway.. did you listen to them when they represented gore at the surpreme court? they sucked SO BAD. seriously they REALLY SUCKED

I'm going to defy their claims that the GPL is invalid, im going to release all my current software under the GPL @ www.tjhawkins.com

The court jury will have a buncha people who have no idea what the word programming means.

IBM is cool though, they will defeat them, please theres alot of support against SCO.

I'm not really worried I want an invoice

- Peace Love and Happiness

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Re:SCO has some people believing.

Posted by: Anders Feder on September 03, 2003 07:37 PM
"Now they're saying the GPL is invalid? So that means the BSD is invalid? And Microsoft's license? HMMmmm"

Huh, what are you talking about? They never said that BSD licenses and Microsoft EULA's are invalid...

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Re:SCO has some people believing.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 06:34 AM
They did, except not explicitly. They said that copyright law prohibits unlimited duplication and distribution. Copyright law allows one and only one copy, according to them. BSD's license allows unlimited redistribution, and certain Microsoft licenses allow more than one copy (volume licenses, OEM licenses, MSDN sample code, etc). They singled out the GPL, but by extension nearly all software licenses are covered.

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do it yourself?

Posted by: Geoff Lane on September 03, 2003 05:34 AM
SCO should put the invoice on their web site.
That way we can all get a copy and ignore it instead of just the lucky few.

BTW have a look at www.scosource.com

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Re:do it yourself?

Posted by: Ralph Hudson on September 03, 2003 06:00 AM
I need a lawyer// allthis anxiety over whether my operating system is mine to use legaly is causing me to be sexually deficit, and sco is directly responsible by their claims that maybe something in the water is using its patent. such anguish and worry is devastating my life. I demand a billion dollars for this disruption of my life and me in my sexual prime, oh woe is me arraggg

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Letter to SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 06:26 AM
Thank you for your Feedback
You will be hearing from us soon.

Hello,

I use Linux for my servers and desktops and I heard you were going to start charging people license fees on linux when only a small part of your code is in there, VERY SMALL. However, I've yet to see any proof. I've seen BSD-licensed code shown as "proof" on the internet. It's like claiming that you own the desktop part of windows so you require a license fee of like $699 (well over the cost of an entire operating system) It's likely that you will see distributions popping up with no-sco claimed code. SCO claimed that at first they will not release the code because the linux community would replace it so SCO could not claim their high license fees. Now, however SCO claims its impossible to replace it. I got this information from news articles of interviews with Darl McBride.. The Linux community created a unix compatable operating from scratch so I guess they can edit the code.

I do own software and I'm thinking of releasing it under the General Public License, question is why would you denounce the GPL yet keep shipping GPL'd software in your unix distributions? Ever since Darl McBride came into power it seemed like a money-hungry frenzy on getting money even on lies and un-prooven claims.

I will consider paying the Linux licensing fees on the current conditions:

1) you provide proof of code being yours, you allow me and my associates to research the code to let me discover the origions of the code, allowing me to voice my opinion public, but not allowing me to distribute code to others not in an agreement. Apparently some code shown at the SCO Forum ended up to be released under the BSD license.

2) you offer a full refund if you are proven wrong in court since your claims have not been proven in anyway. The only people who have agreed that I've seen is journalists that know nothing about programming.. People that were not knoweledgeable in linux and unix just looking at something on paper that appeared the same, not allowed to research it.

I also find it odd that SCO has made public statements then make contradictory statements over that, repeatedly. It really appears you do not have a solid case.

If you send me an invoice I will turn it over law enforcement immediatly and not pay it without it being proven first, honestly what your trying to do makes no sense. It would make sense if it was proven publicly, but no it isnt. I will also file needed complaints.

Notice: On replying to this message you agree that you do not sue me over the contents of this message.

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Re:Letter to SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 06:29 AM
SCO Says:

Thank you for your Feedback
You will be hearing from us soon.

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harrassment countrsuit

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 06:37 AM
invoicing individuals or organisations where no obligation exists (such as in this case, or after the payment has already been made) is legally considered harrassment. countersue.

paul

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Press Releases Must Not Be Enough

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 07:14 AM
I guess this means that the press releases are not resulting in the hoped for revenue for SCO. This must be the next step in scaring companies out of their money. Now, if after a month they start damaging the credit of these companies by turning them into the credit reporting agencies, then there will be real reason for legal action against SCO.

Why don't we send them invoices for the extra expenses we incur by being frightened out of using Linux (if we are in that position)? Something like, "We could have saved $1,000,000 on licensing fees, but were advised to hold off on using Linux. Therefore, we are charging you $1,000,000. Please pay within 90 days or we will be forced to send this bill to a collection agency."

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SCO sent me an invoice

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 08:11 AM
It was so goofy that it took me awhile to figure out what it was. It looks like they took a sales slip from SKOL's chewing tobacco, scrawled over everything except the first three letters (and went over the 'K' with a marker pen to make it look like a 'C'), and erased the dot within the line "You owe $6.99 - payment due on receipt". It was signed "Thanks, Darl" at the bottom.

Guess they do things a bit differently over there.

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With all that has happend

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 09:59 AM
W/ all that has happend, why are they still a part of UnintedLinux?

Or, the better Q would be, Why are Conectiva, Suse, and TurboLinux still part of UnintedLinux.

Sounds to me like they are still hurting for money. Hell, they were hurting back w/ Caldera murged w/ them. So, now they are gonna try and get some money back.

Shit man, for all we know,
being devils advocate here,
they could have planted code into the community, only to turn around and try to stab us in the back now.

I for one would love to get one of there invoices. W/ over 50 servers ( all running LFS ) I think they may send one.

Not to mention I sent them an email telling them to basically FuckOff!

--

Do or do not, there is no try. --Yoda

onClipEvent (enterFrame){

if (emailsent==0){

_root.sig = "
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// Jared Lyvers
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// -----------------------
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// Director of Interactive
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// Director of IT
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// LPI Certified
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// -----------------------
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// www.lowdownandirty.com
<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// R T F M "

}

}

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UnitedLinux is protected by SCO

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 10:12 AM
Apparently, SuSE and the other UnitedLinux's claim they are protected because of licensing agreements and such with SCO....

SuSE sill publicly denounced SCO's actions.

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Re:With all that has happend

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 07:52 PM

If you'll remember, I published an article (http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/03/183<nobr>7<wbr></nobr> 241&mode=thread&tid=23) on newsforge a while back that discussed the intent of UnitedLinux in the community. At that time, I proposed that their stated intentions were redundant and unrealistic considering that they all contributed to the same projects in the first place. I stated that they clearly had intentions to overtake projects from the GNU/Linux community by circumventing distributing points.

A lot of people disagreed with me back then. Granted, it was just speculation on my part, but nothing else really made sense to me at the time.

Given the current situation, can anyone really disagree with this at this point? I mean, some of the UL vendors may be remotely trustworthy (though I love how people argue that SuSE is a great Free Software/Open Source vendor when half their contributions to their distribution are proprietary - but I'll give them that they hire Free Software developers.) but the point being that Caldera's involvement as a primary founder provided just reason to be suspicious.

All I can say to the naysayers is... "Hah - told ya so!"

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Send 'em a crack pipe

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 10:36 AM
I heard some guy sent them monopoly money. I sent them a crack pipe. I hope whoever opens the mail can figure out the connection.

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SCO, the new MS Office format.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 10:42 AM
Talk about IP.

I bet SCO can't wait to get their hands on this new Office file format. Ultra secret from what I read.

I bet a nickel that Darl M.heads up the new Office Suite division. Hopefully, all IT managers out there will inform their bosses that this is not good for their resprctive companies. Unless they are MS shills.

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Monopoly money. What a great idea.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 10:46 AM
What a great idea. Send both MS and SCO monopoly money from now on. Just to tick 'em off a little.

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And I thought I knew about terrorism

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 05:25 PM
Here is something I submitted to the SCO feedback form:
http://www.sco.com/company/feedback/index.html
Perhaps you might want to give them some feedback too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)

To whomever happens to read this form submission,
I hope you get as much laughs out of this as I do about the recent SCO vs. free software campaign. I mean I thought I knew about terrorism, but I think we have much to learn from your company. SCO's attempt to scare Linux users into paying a licensing fee for claims that have yet been proven can be called nothing else but terrorism. I rack my brain trying to understand what kind of individuals would take part in such crazyness. I can only assume that it is once again a case of someone with dollar $$ signs clouding their vision to the point that they are willing to injure humanity at large.
Of course I am sure whomever is responsible for these recent acts is well aware that their case is completely fraudulent and more than likely, if the justice system lives up to its name, will fall flat on its ass.
So the question remains, what does SCO stand to gain from such ludicrous behavior?
Sounds to me like SCO is already dead and we are now being haunted by a zombie risen from the grave, controlled by some hidous unspeakable entity known as Micros~1.
And behold, the people shall rise up and sayeth to the demon daemon (demond<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
"We wan't to create free software, we are tired of your endless upgrade cycles, restrictive licensing polices and monopolistic bullying. The time has come for a new age.. An age of co-operative computing, where each of us can help one another in achieving exellence in creative software development. Let us rise up against tyranny and greed, let us put the demon in its place as a memorial of the software dinosaurs of ancient times. Let the beast see truth and it will set us free!"
And behold, there was light and free software, and it was good. And the powers that be smiled on humanity, and they who lived knew no lack, and the truth became words. And words, although inherently faulty and open to interpretation, spoke of truth and freedom, and many enscriptions (called "licenses" in modern tongue) were enscribed. And these enscriptions were given names like GPL, BSD, X11 and Artistic license and open for all to use and abide by.

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Assist the invoice recipients

Posted by: HenrikOmma on September 03, 2003 05:28 PM
1. A proper HOWTO for replying should be compiled
2. We should try to find a list of those who have received the invoice, and send them a copy of the HOWTO

Otherwise someone might pay by mistake, and that in itself might be used by SCO to further their claim.

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Can't you see the same $?

Posted by: teqomit on September 03, 2003 06:59 PM
Oh! $CO you mean? I just checked their web lare and found that they are a close friend of Micro$oft! Just check $CO Authentication project! Yeah they really need to be authenticated by their friends otherwise their friends may fire the boss<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)

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Did anyone else get this?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 10:29 PM
"This goes up to eleven."
- Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap

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SCO is out of business soon ,any one wants to buy?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 11:45 PM
I am damn sure, SCO and it's buildings will be in eBay auction very soon. Any one interested to buy? SCO employees...try for other jobs. What are you waiting for...???

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Sue SCO if you receive INVOICE without evidence

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2003 11:47 PM
SUE SCO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...SUE SUE SUE...that is all. And it is assured you become a billioneare in a few days without any investment<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....

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Don't post any invoices

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 12:44 AM
I have a strong feeling that if SCO invoices start appearing on the net, then if SCO is charged with fraud or whetever, they can deny sending the invoice, and claim it was downloaded and altered to show the receivers name, by those wascally Linux users.

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Is SCO doing Microsoft's Dirty Work?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 01:06 AM
Perhaps Microsoft had SCO initiate this attack
to see how successful it would be. If SCO can
bring this off, and then Microsoft buys out SCO,
what do you think the future of Linux would be?

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Can someone post a scan of an invoice?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 08:02 AM
Can someone post a scan of an invoice so we can all see and enjoy it?

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What to do with the SCO Invoice

Posted by: dva1946 on September 04, 2003 11:43 AM
Very simple. I posted the article on my 2 open source websites for businesses.

Will SCO visit? Doubt it.

Will others see it? You BET!

Thks for the publicity SCO

Dave

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How about a free SCO invoice...

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 12:58 PM
...included with every AOL CD?

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invoice to FBI, NASA, Whitehouse?

Posted by: Anonymous Coward on September 04, 2003 01:52 PM
Did SCO send invoice to FBI, NASA and Whitehouse for using Linux?